The Holodomor

[Jason]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

What's your view on it?  What do you think really went on?   Do you see parallels with it in today's relationship between Russia and Ukraine?

Edited February 10 by Jason

[Uncrowned Guard]

The debate continues regarding the extent to which these actions were intentionally designed to suppress Ukrainian nationalism or were simply the result of economic mismanagement. The consensus among many historians (and I'd put myself into this group as to the why) is that the Holodomor was a man-made tragedy exacerbated by the Soviet government's policies, which targeted the Ukrainian peasantry and led to widespread starvation and death.

In terms of parallels with today's relationship between Russia and Ukraine, it's important to recognize the significant historical, political, and socio-economic developments that have occurred between the two nations. The memory of the Holodomor surely influences Ukrainian national identity and perceptions of Russian influence and intentions. Contemporary issues, such as the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 and the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine, can be seen as part of a long history of difficult relations between Ukraine and Russia. These events reflect ongoing disputes over sovereignty, territorial integrity, and national identity, though they occur in a vastly different context than the events of the 1930s.

Understanding the Holodomor and its impact on Ukrainian history is crucial for comprehending the depth of historical grievances that inform current dynamics between Ukraine and Russia. While direct parallels may be limited, the historical memory of such tragedies continues to shape perceptions and relations in the present day.

[Jason]

On 2/11/2024 at 3:35 AM, Uncrowned Guard said:

The debate continues regarding the extent to which these actions were intentionally designed to suppress Ukrainian nationalism or were simply the result of economic mismanagement. The consensus among many historians (and I'd put myself into this group as to the why) is that the Holodomor was a man-made tragedy exacerbated by the Soviet government's policies, which targeted the Ukrainian peasantry and led to widespread starvation and death.

In terms of parallels with today's relationship between Russia and Ukraine, it's important to recognize the significant historical, political, and socio-economic developments that have occurred between the two nations. The memory of the Holodomor surely influences Ukrainian national identity and perceptions of Russian influence and intentions. Contemporary issues, such as the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 and the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine, can be seen as part of a long history of difficult relations between Ukraine and Russia. These events reflect ongoing disputes over sovereignty, territorial integrity, and national identity, though they occur in a vastly different context than the events of the 1930s.

Understanding the Holodomor and its impact on Ukrainian history is crucial for comprehending the depth of historical grievances that inform current dynamics between Ukraine and Russia. While direct parallels may be limited, the historical memory of such tragedies continues to shape perceptions and relations in the present day.

It's highly believable that Communist policies would have caused this.   In fact, similar things happened in China.